VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.3] [Eva Kiss]

iamcomming · May 22, 2024

SearingFive said:
You know that Ian's manuscript of the book is ready, right? He can just use that to lure investors if he wanted to. He went there to get an experience and how is making new contacts not beneficial? Though I agree with you that EK could've handled the dates separately for both paths instead of gatekeeping with one or the other choices.

yes, i made ian himself to give mr ward the manusript and nothing happend (he didnt read) so i have reason to say, it is nothing, not a finished book. still in my head about get new contacts

"new contact: hey Holly, i am glad to see you... wait, who is this with you?
ian: i am her coworker and i am here, becau-.
new contact: and what the hell are you doing here? you have no business here.
ian: she invited me, i wanna new contacts.
new contact: yes, she is nice, now get lost and dont use her out, dont be a leech"

basically i dont have problem about this kind of choosing "meet Lena and Holly at cafe or go date with Alison" i like these choices and consequence when Alison a little mad and always say she cant compare to this model girl

but for now, (leave your friends and) lose Cindy without reason (as ian say, yesterday she sent nude and now dont even speak. i didnt do anything wrong against her) or drop out Holly without reason (and your career) (as ian say, we can do it another time. but as you said, NOTHING will happening in next 5-6 chapter, but little flirt, i didnt do anything wrong against her)

BlandChili · May 22, 2024

iamcomming said:
but for now, (leave your friends and) lose Cindy without reason (as ian say, yesterday she sent nude and now dont even speak. i didnt do anything wrong against her) or drop out Holly without reason (and your career) (as ian say, we can do it another time. but as you said, NOTHING will happening in next 5-6 chapter, but little flirt, i didnt do anything wrong against her)

But there is a reason, it's just narrative. If you choose the book fair Cindy sees it as abandoning her plans and she then sees you as unreliable for her desires. If you choose the birthday Holly sees it as rejection and stops really trying to get with Ian because of it.

Maviarab · May 22, 2024

Gicoo said:
It isn't an opinion that Lena is hounded by Seymour and Axel, has relationship, work and money issues, toxic friends, a stressful family that missuses her money. Its an observation. One that people seeking for a potential girlfriend do, whether they are conscious of it or not.

BlandChili said:
Maviarab was more likely stating that Lena's relative worth is an opinion.

Not really.

Hounded by Seymour? At first...then you tell him to fuck off and then really, he pretty much disappears from the story. So he blocks a modelling gig. Pff...and?
Axel: See above.
Money issues: Only a problem if you let it be a problem. never been an issue for me.
Toxic friends: Debatable.
Family: Yes but is also really a non-issue story wise. And you don't have to send extra money etc. You can keep it.

So again, all her 'issues' are created by your choices.

iamcomming · May 22, 2024

BlandChili said:
I actually like that you have to navigate that kind of choice. I think it makes the game more interesting to replay, that you can't just get everyone all at once.

with cherry and alison at bar it is totally understandable.
if go with alison -> cherry dont get good first impression about you, so not available (well, it is not a good reason, but i am not interested in cherry, so easy to accept this stupidity)
if stay with cherry -> jeremy steal alison, so not available (good reason)

if go with Holly -> Cindy dont fight with Wade, so not available (not exactly but kind of good reason)
if go with Cindy -> Holly still has a crush on you, so not available. waaait what?

BlandChili · May 22, 2024

Maviarab said:
Family: Yes but is also really a non-issue story wise. And you don't have to send extra money etc. You can keep it.

Also this one is pretty common, plenty of people have family issues.
The player gets choices on how impactful Lena's family is to her life.

iamcomming · May 22, 2024

BlandChili said:
But there is a reason, it's just narrative. If you choose the book fair Cindy sees it as abandoning her plans and she then sees you as unreliable for her desires. If you choose the birthday Holly sees it as rejection and stops really trying to get with Ian because of it.

if we speak about narrative
its true, but you should "fix it" with Cindy, she really need some charater development.
its true, but Holly still have crush on you and you just should call her a date or spend time with her. but you cant because well really no reason for it.

BlandChili · May 22, 2024

iamcomming said:
if we speak about narrative
its true, but you should "fix it" with Cindy, she really need some character development.

Well, Cindy's seen you reject her once and apparently that closes her off for that. Perhaps Eva will entertain a future chance like with Holly, but my assumption would be that, that would come after Axel's reeled her in and at that point some people might see her as "spoiled goods" I guess.

iamcomming said:
its true, but Holly still have crush on you and you just should call her a date or spend time with her. but you cant because well really no reason for it.

Well, because Ian doesn't really see Holly as girl to pursue in a sexual or romantic fashion. That's why another shot of that first reason is probably coming up now that Holly can be a more outwardly sexual individual, Ian notices it.

iamcomming · May 22, 2024

BlandChili said:
Well, Cindy's seen you reject her once and apparently that closes her off for that. Perhaps Eva will entertain a future chance like with Holly, but my assumption would be that, that would come after Axel's reeled her in and at that point some people might see her as "spoiled goods" I guess.

Well, because Ian doesn't really see Holly as girl to pursue in a sexual or romantic fashion. That's why another shot of that first reason is probably coming up now that Holly can be a more outwardly sexual individual, Ian notices it.

yes, kind of reject cindy, but i am sure ian dont try fix it, give up without i choose give up or leave her

yes, ian can see anything, i dont care. eve kiss game where i choose, lena like work with mr ward or dont mind or dont like. trash avn where you have to drop Holly because the dev write, we can do another time this trip and there is no chance to do it another time

BlandChili · May 22, 2024

iamcomming said:
yes, ian can see anything, i dont care. eve kiss game where i choose, lena like work with mr ward or dont mind or dont like. trash avn where you have to drop Holly because the dev write, we can do another time this trip and there is no chance to do it another time

Well, EvaKiss stated when she started ORS that she wanted it to be more realistic. Giving up on your crush is realistic, so sorry but the reason is there and explained, even if you dislike it.

dacris69 · May 22, 2024

Can you avoid dicks on the female path?

Gicoo · May 22, 2024

dacris69 said:
Can you avoid dicks on the female path?

Yes. You can go sexless (aside from some masturbation/modeling) or pure lesbian.

ffive · May 22, 2024

BlandChili said:
I'm not interested in rape personally, but more exhibitionism would be hot.

I imagine there may potentially be more exhibitionism with Ian/Lena (or Lena/whoever for that matter) given Lena and Ian can have sex in the park quite early, and Lena can potentially develop a kink from it.

ffive · May 22, 2024

Gicoo said:
It was proposed that Lena is worth ten women. My reaction on this was that pointing out that Lena has many downsides and may not even compare to one average, but high drama free woman.

But, you know, if Lena is worth ten women, then she'll come with ten women worth of trouble, too. It's simple math.

ffive · May 22, 2024

iamcomming said:
its true, but you should "fix it" with Cindy, she really need some charater development.

I think it's more of letting your desire to have your cake and eat it too (to get both girls without committing to either) to affect your judgement of the situation.

If Ian chooses to stay for Cindy's party thing despite his own best interest, this is a big part of why Cindy and Ian get together at all -- because he is there, reliably, for her when she's at her lowest. Something he points out and she acknowledges.

If Ian isn't there, Cindy suffers her breakdown all alone, and he effectively becomes another "friend, but not really when push comes to shove". It absolutely makes sense this would dissipate any interest Cindy might potentially have in Ian.

It's also not really something you can "fix" afterwards with some platitudes that don't hold any real weight. It wouldn't be any sort of character development for Cindy to just get convinced to overlook it as if nothing has happened.

Socrambus · May 22, 2024

ffive said:
But, you know, if Lena is worth ten women, then she'll come with ten women worth of trouble, too. It's simple math.

Lena comes with a lot of baggage, she can be a great girlfriend but even with those choices she's only really sexually satisfied with a chad Ian on his way to becoming a copy of Axel. I already said it, the mentally healthiest choice for a serious relationship is Emma by far (if the game were real life).

ffive said:
I think it's more of letting your desire to have your cake and eat it too (to get both girls without committing to either) to affect your judgement of the situation.

If Ian chooses to stay for Cindy's party thing despite his own best interest, this is a big part of why Cindy and Ian get together at all -- because he is there, reliably, for her when she's at her lowest. Something he points out and she acknowledges.

If Ian isn't there, Cindy suffers her breakdown all alone, and he effectively becomes another "friend, but not really when push comes to shove". It absolutely makes sense this would dissipate any interest Cindy might potentially have in Ian.

It's also not really something you can "fix" afterwards with some platitudes that don't hold any real weight. It wouldn't be any sort of character development for Cindy to just get convinced to overlook it as if nothing has happened.

I still think Cindy's reaction is unreasonable, she wouldn't refuse the yatch thing in order to go to Ian's birthday party. And it's okay, it's a great career opportunity just as the book fair is for Ian. If Eva wanted a split between two LI for simplicity reasons, choosing to go with Alison on their little weekend vacation would have fit way better.

ffive · May 22, 2024

Socrambus said:
I still think Cindy's reaction is unreasonable, she wouldn't refuse the yatch thing in order to go to Ian's birthday party.

We don't know this, given there was no such situation in the game. So it's pretty unfair to decide this for her and then judge her based not on her actual actions, but your own guess.

(also, if Cindy did actually choose to go on a business trip instead of attending Ian's birthday, then it'd be quite reasonable for Ian to feel slighted and for his opinion of her to lessen. Quite a few players would probably rant about "cheap ho who chose Axel's dick over my Ian" and how it makes her unworthy, too)

Xupuzulla · May 22, 2024

Cindy is a cheap hoe who chose Axel BWC over Ian.

Gicoo · May 22, 2024

Socrambus said:
I still think Cindy's reaction is unreasonable

Not for a woman.

Unironically: Cindy is self-centered. She expects a guy to take care of her and may not do the same in return. So I buy her being grateful of Ian helping with the birthday, especially since it leads to the argument with Axel/Wade and Ian coming to the rescue, the final push to let him kiss her.
If Ian is on Hollys trip, this opportunity simply disappears.

This discussion goes on for a bit. My cent: Holly/Cindy being exclusive is artificial and was done to make the writing easier.

iamcomming · May 22, 2024

BlandChili said:
Well, EvaKiss stated when she started ORS that she wanted it to be more realistic. Giving up on your crush is realistic, so sorry but the reason is there and explained, even if you dislike it.

well yes, explained and you know what? less realistic

there is no fix it chance, unrealistic
Jeremy fucked up with Ivy and after fixed up... he got a handjob from her. mc why cant? oh yes, because Eva Kiss dont give chance, well it is not good story, it is stupid
not mention about he fix up things with louise too and after fix up things with Ivy, like she is just a second option. the girls dont like being second options or tropheis (lena got -ian point if show her picture to jeremy) they want to be special. this fix up is unrealistic

the game ask you want say Holly is cute, you can call her, you can ask a date where mc think she is cute and bumm suddenly nothing. mc just not see her as proper romance? than why? why go? it is unrealistic (even they speak do it later, it is again unrealistic, if you want it, but not doing it)

1+1=3 -> it is true, because 1man +1woman = 1husband + 1wife + 1kid
everything can be explained, so i think speaking is pointless
this game is great, but this part is just a mess and stupid. you make a decesion about where to go and not about reject/abandon one of them. like did earlier. the game clearly give chance to mc be interested in both and without decesion abandon one of them, he just do it.
say i am wrong if you want, but at this point you cant have both without (imo) pressing reason and i am offended about it, because i wanted. and it is just a game, goal is have fun, but made me offended, so not my cup of tea, only because this move

Maviarab · May 22, 2024

Socrambus said:
the mentally healthiest choice for a serious relationship is Emma by far (if the game were real life).

You think Emma has no baggage?

Have fun bailing her out of jail after her next protest, providing she didn't convince you to go along.

She's a political activist....no baggage lol.

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